Divya talks to Shikhant and Shivi about their travels, journey with the african caravan, teaching kids art, about collaborating with people who are special to you, and more, in this episode filled with interesting stories.
Divya talks to Shikhant and Shivi about their travels, journey with the african caravan, teaching kids art, about collaborating with people who are special to you, and more, in this episode filled with interesting stories.
For them to understand that women can also do this kind of work — that was very important. Representation isn't abstract; it changes what people believe is possible for them.
Hi, I'm Divya. Hi, I'm Kahran. And this is... Thinking. I'm thinking.
Welcome to this episode of Thinking on Thinking. Today I talk to Shikant and Shivi, who are really amazingly creative people. Shikant is my old-time friend. From Delhi, like more than a decade ago.
They are both really interesting people and I let them introduce themselves. Hey guys, I'm Shikant Sablanya. I'm an artist, comics maker, writer and travel enthusiast. I make a lot of different things.
I have a small studio called Churma, where we do comics, animation and design. On the side, I also make my own webcomics called African Caravan, which is based on this journey created across Africa for eight months.
Hi, I'm Shivi Bhatnagar. I am a cinematographer by profession. I've been involved in a lot of video productions. One documentary specifically being The Great African Caravan.
A project that has been a very important project in my life. Both in terms of career and also for my personal self. How did you get in touch with this kind of an NGO? Because this also, even from an NGO stuff, this feels very niche to teach kids filmmaking.
Kids in underprivileged communities and teaching them how to do filmmaking and telling their own stories. That's like such a niche thing. Yeah, someone had referred my reference to this NGO, whom they already might have known each other.
So they referred me, they were looking out for some female to do a filmmaking workshop for also to children understand that female can also do something like this. And a majority of them were also girls. In their teenage and like they may be in their 10th, 11th class.
So for them also to understand, you know, that there are female in this field. It's not just men who are there. So it was very important for them to have a female coming to take this workshop.
So someone knew, so they referred me to this NGO and when we met, I told them, they already showed me all their videos that they were doing. They were asking if I can like make their videos like level up a bit or teach them how they can level up their videos.
So that's how I came in touch with them because these days phone is like a very major equipment to shoot videos. So they have these iPhones with them. So the NGO provides them. I think they have two iPhones with which they shoot their videos
and then they have like free software. Even I didn't knew about that software. So I was telling Shekhan like on the day when I was going to take the workshop of editing in the auto rickshaw. I was actually looking out videos like you know about the software.
What it is all about because I know how to edit but not on that particular software. So I need to know where should I click to get that kind of tool or what should I press for a shortcut to get that tool. So I did my homework before going to that workshop
and then they were like like then I told them about the editing and also they edit on a very enough on a free software which is actually quite good for a YouTube sort of a setup and they shoot with iPhones and sometimes they also shoot with their own phones that they have at home.
So they do that as well. Yeah. One of my friends who ran this workshop for like kids they did like an imagination design kind of workshop where like you know you give kids some scenario and they have to imagine what would be the clothes and what would be the buildings
and like you know just different things. And she was like it's so interesting as a millennial taking workshop with like younger people like Gen Z and Gen Alpha definitely feel like they are creative. Like it's not a separate thing for us.
We had to fight with our parents fight with society. You have to be like I'm going to be an artist. I'm going to be a creative person. And here kids are like like of course I have a camera I make reels of course I'm creative.
Yeah. In our time we used to draw mostly I feel you know when you are creative you cover your notebooks with some you know doodles and you know you'll like I remember in my science there's to be this lab notebook.
So I would cover that with drawings of diagrams of my notebooks the coolest. So I'll get extra marks but then I got to know it's not about drawing it's about actually doing science. Did you you could have done a businessman you could have
like commissioned like you got another kids to commission you to make their notebooks beautiful also. I was not that intelligent when I was growing up I guess business wise. You also did some comic making workshop with some kids in
Delhi right. Yeah. This was a long time back was that also like underprivileged kids. I used to do some workshops and also be like a guest teacher
with Teach for India. I used to teach some of the schools comics making sometimes and then graphic design practically speaking most of the kids want to know something that they can use in real life and get a job right.
So I would teach them how to draw then I would also show them films sometimes in animation films and this and that and I would also sometimes take them out to do live sketching and all but that was like for a few years I did but yeah it's tough to do workshops with kids and it's a lot of
responsibility especially for the kids who are coming from you know a certain background and the kind of problems they have in their houses and very major problem is specially let's say for example when you're working in government schools is non repetition you know so attendance is a big
problem because sometimes somebody's oh my father's scooter broke down or my father cannot come and drop me to the school or there's no money to come to school so I couldn't come so there'll be like somebody let's say person A came to class first class and then you know after your
third session then they came come for the fourth session so there's a gap in between what they learn so it those are kind of challenges that you know people face I think I mean I did it as a you know as a volunteer just as an as an extra teacher I mean hats off to the teachers who teach in those
schools and the kind of consistency in the kind of you know passion they have for teaching is also something you know that is needed by the way you don't need to be so serious no I'm not serious I'm just thinking I just went back to my you're thinking about those those time yeah and always in
that class there'll be two or three kids who will be genius you know will be like really crazy doing something totally offbeat and then you really feel that you know I should do something I should you know for this kid and I should just really teach them how to do something different so I would
you know try to do these kind of things but then of course my time there was limited I did whatever I could but like now that my friends have started having children I can see it that like this idea of can you control this person's life no not at all are you still gonna feel responsible for them
every step of the way yes you will. Right that's true it's tough we went from a tangent but like maybe we can get started on the main thing maybe you guys can talk a little bit about how you guys met and I'll not even give any preface to this so like both of you tell how you guys met. Okay we met in
Africa in South Africa actually I knew about Shivi beforehand because we were part of this this team called Great African Garbant this project which we were supposed to do in Africa so we made a team we planned for it for months so what we actually intended to do what we did was to travel from South
Africa Cape Town to Cairo Egypt so we sort of met along the way we actually knew each other online because we had a lot of meetings and stuff and we were planning for this project but yeah we met in South Africa in Cape Town when we were living there so we before we started the journey we traveled eight
months across the eastern coast of Africa so when we start the project we were living in South Africa for a month or so where we were sort of planning and strategizing about certain you know practicalities of doing such a journey so that's where Do you also want to talk about like what the Great African
Caravan was? Maybe Shivi will Shivi why don't you take that? Okay so we were part of this project called the Great African Caravan which consisted of around like 12 artists because it was a caravan so like a lot of artists joined us even later in the journey and few left so it was like always mixed somewhere
sometimes it was 10 artists sometime it was 12. We all belonged to different art backgrounds like I was a filmmaker, Shikhand is an artist, comic maker, painter, we also had a lot of musicians which were playing instrument, a singer, poet, theater artist so it was like a totally a mix of like different background
and we were also like from different continents so someone was from London, Uganda, India, Argentina so we were like from different and we were traveling across these 10 countries in Africa and the aim was to collaborate with local artists to make art and talk about how art is beyond borders and how we all
collaborate with each other and talk about something which is important to a local that they want to talk about an issue or anything that they want to talk about and make art on it and let people see that art so each country that we went to we collaborated mostly we collaborated with like underprivileged places within
that country we used to go there if there is a singer so the singer would collaborate with the musician, wall graffiti artists would collaborate with Shikhand to make something about that issue and it will be like a process for like a week and at the end of the week we will do like a showcase for everyone in that locality to
come and watch that program that is all that we did for 8 months that is not like that is not small amounts that's like a lot and then like the other part of the journey was where we didn't had funds to do that journey so we were crowdfunding throughout our journey a lot of people helped us and with food with fuel we had
3 Mahindra cars that was the only thing that we all we had with us but apart from that it was all like sourced from you know performing here and there and then getting money in and then moving somewhere else so it was like a crunch of a lot of fun so because we were travelling on the road we did a lot of camping we slept wherever we could we ate
whatever we could not eat even if that is also sometimes but yeah it was a journey that I think all of us who were there in that project would not forget for a lifetime like it was a very life changing I mean for both of you I think you guys can't forget anyways but like yeah now we are together
yeah so yeah so that's how we met in that project yeah life in that situation for 8 months not always but yeah sometimes yeah it did feel like I don't want to paint a picture for people that you know we were really dying every day and we were just really crawling and wastroof
you were also painting and you were also singing yes yes yes and chilling with local Africans who are really cool by the way that's an interesting thing right like a lot of people especially in I would say middle class and upwards like communities they think you should only make art if you have a secure job like art should be your side hustle art should be the side thing
so it's like really interesting to like here you guys be like that was the main thing that we were doing and like that's what's happening exactly and when we were also travelling people used to ask you know oh but why are you doing this oh okay you know what's and especially in India like why are you going to Africa
because nobody goes to Africa right from India everybody goes to America you know Europe you want to see all this you know yeah Europe and all this you know arty things and you know western Europe and do all this cool stuff so we were like yeah but why not I mean it's so close to us I mean literally one sea away but we know very little about
that place and there are a lot of these preconceived notions also that we have so plus yeah so we want to explore that and start our you know sort of artistic project in Africa and then see how it goes but yeah it was tough but it was I think worth what the pain did you guys end up working together like the two of you did you end up working together during the project yeah yeah sometimes yes actually initially what used to happen was
because she was documenting like she was filming she was the camera person main camera person there was another person Satya who was doing mostly direction he also used to shoot but mostly let's say for example in South Africa when I was doing all the collaborations in the space of making graffiti or you know street art with the kids and all so she was documenting the whole thing and then we made like a small video out of it
she was doing a lot of video collaborations with other people who are making music and all but two of us I think we started mostly in the second half of the journey when we sort of also understood each other's method of working yeah like I used to like work like I was shooting almost everything so I used to be here and there everywhere so I used to like work with Shikant also like we used to spend like the whole days like traveling together to that
township and then while he's collaborating I used to shoot all of it and then while he's painting so like we used to be there like I used to like shoot for a long time with him and I used to shoot with others as well but I think in South Africa I did shoot with him a lot and I think that that's how like we started gelling up also because no other option is my teammate you know what to do with this let's talk
I like that now you guys have already started making old couples also like oh yeah you are there I had to make do with you exactly but yeah but another thing which I want to point out is she was always busy she was more busy because she has to shoot everybody's projects and everything yeah and so imagine this film this is how a day would look like for us we would start really early in the morning let's say at 5 a.m. everybody
would be really tired from the last day's work of course yeah so we all have to sort of wake each other up you know by different methods and then we'll you know pack our camps even in certain places where we were staying in the city we were probably camping in somebody's backyard or these kind of very odd places once we were sort of sleeping in a radio station in Sudan by the way you know so things like that so we would have to clean up and do all of that in the morning first thing then we would you know clean the cars
put fuel and everything in case like that day we are traveling so we would have to really you know clean the cars do everything prep for the day's drive and we will start driving at say let's say by 7 ish you know and the aim is to drive to a particular location which we have targeted for that day by 4 to 5 p.m. because then the sun will set and you have to camp before the sun sets right so you have to clean the place whatever make the preparations make a fire do all of that so like after driving for whatever 6-7 hours
then you're camping again sleeping on the ground that night you probably have to plan for the next days visit to some place you know where you'll have to do some collaborations you have to use your mind you know thinking of some creative idea like I have to sit and make some sketches for the comics workshop that I might have to do or for the painting that I might have to make with some people so I would have to meet them do all of that so that's how it used to be so she would be hopping from one car to the other so we were driving
three cars right so we would stop she would go from one car record some stuff then sit on top of another car so she would do all of these things so we had this car where you have those it was a pickup truck kind of a thing so it has like an empty area at the back which was covered so she would sit on top of it we also tied her up one time with the rope or something so that she doesn't fall and then she's shooting the other cars on the road and so it was like that was crazy like there were a couple of times that even I was also excited you know oh like this place looks good and the cars would look good
so let me just get back on it and I remember like Satya used to be the one who would be driving because I used to just trust him because he used to be like the very best driver of the whole lot so I used to be like okay you drive I'll sit on the back and then I used to take a lot of shots you know like hanging out and then taking some shots but it turned out to be good so this is the first time I am hearing about this and like meeting you you see way more chilled out than like you know sitting on top of a moving car and shooting because the shot might be nice
yeah I have my adrenaline points even when like someone is shooting from the front I would be like okay let me just press on the GoPro and then duck so that I'll just get like a nice shot of maybe in the documentary I'll put somewhere every single time I hear you guys talk about the African stuff the first time Shikhand came back and he was telling us stories and I was like so I know you are alive because you're sitting right here but this is still too thrilling for my heart how did you live in it yeah that's true it's actually now thinking about it sometimes we also think how did we do it because I don't think it makes any sense for any logical person to do these kind of stupid things
but somehow you know somehow manage maybe when we get old we'll blame it on our youth we were stupid you know I don't know what we were doing we were young and stupid making these stupid decisions maybe we need to make few more stupid decisions and then we would come to that wow different kinds of stupid decisions different kinds yes
so do you guys like now actively collaborate together so like we do collaborate on projects and it's like mostly like whenever Shikhand has a project in his studio so we do collaborate on those projects so currently also we are working on a project where I am mostly doing all the shoot and the edit and Shikhand is you know doing all the production work making the background it's a stop motion and he's doing all the background design and also as a director he's working as a director I can say so yeah we do collaborate on projects
how do you manage that so like with this season that's what we have been like asking people how do you have multiple relationships and like you know also collaborate as working people so like I interviewed a couple I interviewed a sibling pair so like similarly you guys are also you know like you are partners and then I would say like director and editor might have the most creative conflict between each other right because it's like both have strong point of view editor is thinking okay I shot this I know what it's supposed to be but then director can be like oh but I know what it is supposed to be from this particular angle like how do you deal with that especially like when people are good at what they do that becomes like even more of a touchy point
what kind of friends can you do you fight over it and then after two days you're like why did you fight over it and then you just make a coffee and sit in the balcony and just think about it actually what you were saying was actually correct I think you should do that and then you just move on with your life that's it no other solution okay so Shikhand like you know agrees after two days that he's wrong what do you do to me I mostly like try telling him okay like mostly what we both do is like as you said that we both have like strong points of views and we both fight on it and then I guess after like yeah actually like maybe the next day we sleep over it and then we realize okay let's like take something of this something of this
or okay like if it is like okay like you were correct because at that point of time you're like so with your thought and the idea that you have that you don't let it go and you just keep running after that so once that is all like you know after that whole thing once you tell each other things after that once you sleep off it I think the next day you just think more clearly and then you come to a point where you're like okay yeah this is fine and sometimes it's very even more quicker also like sometimes it's like you feel like the other what the other person is saying is actually correct so there's no need for fight also you just you're like yeah okay okay okay yeah okay yeah okay you're saying it what it is so yeah let's go with it so it like it's both ways sometimes you have to fight for it sometimes you just understand that yeah it's it's the need of that hour and you just go with in that decision two things I want to add to this one is sometimes it happens and oftentimes it happens mostly in our projects is we would think of some idea that we would have thought while we are scripting and I would randomly come one day but you know
Shiri I think we can do it this way because I think it will be better and you know we can make it slightly more you know slightly improve this you know maybe we can change this color and I think I should have thought about it when I was scripting but I think now that I've seen it I think we can do this change so once that happens then it she was like you know but script you know so let's just do what is written because now I've already shot it now you're telling me after seeing it you're telling me that you'll change it I spent like a week shooting it now you're telling me or you don't want that color yeah so my one tip is to write everything beforehand no right and and think pre-plan too much pre-plan before you write preempt it yeah and also I think another thing is that we have to and especially people who are collaborating creative people who are also have other relationships in life you know after making this video you have to go back and cook food together you know and you don't want the other person to put poison in your food so then you have to be little more you know chill about things you have to be ok with conflicts and you have to take it lightly don't take it too seriously all of these work related conflicts that happen and just leave it when the studio door closes you leave all of that conflict in the studio and then you move onto the other part of life so that is something of course it's difficult but it's possible that's the only way to do it yeah
way to do it. Yeah. And mostly what happens is we both are fighting like whatever the vision that we both have is to make that particular piece of work in a better in a more you know, to make it more better is what we are envisioning the methods might be different. That's what we are like we both telling each other but the ultimate thing is to make it better. And I think like after a time and because we have been collaborating like a lot before. So I think at a point we do say okay,
this is fine. Like let it go and like this decision is fine and let's not do this way. Let's do this way. So why I asked that question, especially in this season is because I work a lot with people who are close to me like I work with my sister, I work with my brother and we've been collaborating for years. And oftentimes when I tell it to people their reaction is, oh, I can't work with somebody who's that close to me. How would I like you know, deal with that situation if we have conflict?
The same thing that Shikant you said you don't want the person to poison your food when you're going back. How do you make sure? And then I looked around and I was like, no, there are a lot of people around me who are doing interesting things with people who matter to them in their life. Yeah, actually, if you look at it, mostly that's how the world works, right? Before industrial revolution, go back to 150 years, right? Somebody who's making board their whole family is making
boards. Somebody who is making shoes, their whole family is making shoes, you know, if you're a farmer, your whole family is involved in it. So even now, just because we are in this space where people have positions and you have these structural, you know, hierarchical systems where somebody is a boss, somebody is a manager, then somebody is an intern, all of these things. But before this structure became what it is, everything was done through help and resources were your neighborhood.
Right? So it's just that we live in this false system that we think that is, this is the correct way of doing it. But actually, working with your friends and your family and doing these kind of things is what naturally humans have always been doing. You know, no try from Central Asia, sending one person to work in, you know, South India with some boat maker as an intern. Nobody is doing that now. Somebody who's in Central Asia is milky cows and you know, doing wheat farming
and with their own tribe and with their own local people. So that's how it always has been. I don't know, people get surprised by things which are really non existent. So I think this is problem of today's system we have made also the education system that creates these kind of or which are normal. And I think like collaborating with your own like a person who is dear to you also because you have like strong personalities as a creative person. But like I think collaboration
sort of also makes you shed away those kind of, you know, you know, that person how that person is, you know, so you, you can just straight away tell that person whatever is going in your mind, you don't have to have like a like a curtain that you have to like shy away because you know that person you're frank with that person. So you can just be open to that person rather than like if a person you're not known to it becomes also like sometimes if you have some thought in your mind, you really
can't be true to that person, you know. So I think that kind of thing sort of, you know, sheds away when you are with a person who is very dear to you. Very true. At least in my experience, working with people who are my close friends or like, you know, my family, it also makes me see a different side of them, which feels so precious because it's like, oh, I see you in 100% full force of who you are without like, you know,
in our relational context, because it's like, oh, you are not my sister, you are like this force of nature right now. And like that also feels really quite incredible. Right. Yeah, that's also true. Like, for example, I know there are two CVs, one she is that home she which is like, you know, yeah, we should do this all night. Life is beautiful. Smells the flowers nice. Let's drink coffee and look at the clouds. And then another CV which is on shoot. Oh,
there's the light. Where's the camera? What is the tripod? What is nothing's happening? So then you get to see both of that and amazing. Yeah, but also one more thing adding to the point where, you know, collaborating with someone, you know, I think there's also that thing like, if you're working with a lot of your people in terms of who are close to you, everyone has their own highs and lows in terms of creativity, like in the strengths, you can say like strength of
someone and the other will have like a different strength. So I think like in that kind of situations, you already know that who is going to push that boat further. And then you sort of follow their lead as well. So that is also one thing that you sort of understand between both, like even I understand between both that okay, like I know that these kinds of things I can't take decisions or like I know that's not my strength. So that that's where like she can't come in place because
I know he can take those. And that's how I think she can't also, you know, he knows that what are my strengths or he let those things, you know, on me. So that is also one thing, you know, each other's strength and yeah, like the base level of trust is just so high. Although in you guys' case, I guess like the trust came before and then you guys got together. Yeah, also, I think like all the other people we have talked to, you guys are unique in that sense, that like you guys
started working together first and then you guys like, you know, became friends and then you guys like, you know, got together as partnership. I'll tell you this incident, okay, now that we are also because we spoke about Africa and we're talking about video shoot and all of these things. We were driving in Ethiopia and it was middle of the night. We don't usually drive in the night. We used to drive only the daytime, right? Of course, I mean, safety, everything else. But it was an emergency
situation. Our visas were getting expired. We had to leave the country, etc. etc. So we were driving and it was pitch dark and I was driving a car which was there was some part which was broken so it was not driving in its full capacity so it could drive only at like 30 40 kilometers per hour or something like that. So I'm slowly driving that car she was sitting on my side, two of our friends who are sleeping in the back. So Ethiopia is the highest country in Africa, all hills and
everything very cold. So we're driving it's really cold at night, no street lights, only the lights of our car. And I take a turn and suddenly I see in the corner there are these two people in camouflage uniforms hiding behind the tree as a feel of preparing for some kind of a shoot down. And then they start firing in front of our cars and I suddenly put a break and I'm panicking, you know, of course, I mean, this like people are firing in front of you and I look at she and I'm
thinking, okay, I will like, you know, she be duck, you know, and I'm just telling her to hide herself and I'm slowly trying to reverse the car and I see she was like, one second, let me switch on the GoPro. That's her. It is not turning on so while this is happening, you're like GoPro day on or I, you know,
and then it doesn't have battery, just hide yourself. This is not a movie. So but we survived. Yes. So we are on ghosts. Yeah, the first time also I heard that story. So that day I knew whenever I have to make a film, I need a camera person like Oh man, strength talking about strength.
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a strong story. Yeah, I'm so glad you guys are alive. That's how I feel about the entire African trip. Even when you were going, that's how I felt. I was like, well, I really like you. It would be sad if you were no longer alive. But yeah, you came back with good memories and good friends. So there is that good memories.
Yeah. Definitely. What are you guys up to now? You've done these crazy things. You are making some movies, shivi and shikant you are doing comic stuff and animation stuff and design stuff. But like what are you guys sort of like maybe creatively looking forward to in the next few years? First thing is I have to finish my comics, which I'm writing about this African caravan. So I have to finish that, which is a huge one ton concrete on my chest. Let go off. So I have to finish that.
That's one thing. Now that we have a small studio and we do all these fun projects, the idea is to sort of build it and do more creative stuff which involves a lot of collaboration. So like we really like doing experimental stuff, like we do different kind of projects, you know. So I'm really looking forward to doing a lot of mixed media stuff in the space of animation, comics, storytelling mostly. That's the plan just to do as many crazy things.
But also together we think we really, we both love traveling. Everyone loves traveling. So do me. You'd be surprised not everybody does. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. Some may be but mostly I'm not. But yeah, like we like traveling. Now I'm slowly turning to the other side. But yes, definitely me until last year. But yeah, like we both love traveling and we really want to do like not exactly how we did in Africa, but something like that we can
like keep continuing doing traveling and documenting storytelling and also doing like visual storytelling in different ways. So that is also there is something that we want to develop more, like do more travels and do something wherever we going, you know, develop something there. So that is there that we do really think of to go in that way as well. Yeah. Travel documentation and travel logs and travel comics and things like that.
Really something that excites us. That would be super exciting. Maybe Shikhaan, but I'm not like the vlogging material, like, you know, hi guys and all this kind of thing. But mostly like documenting is something that is more interesting. Like go to a place and be there for some time and understand, you know, just collaborate maybe with their local artist or document something and Shikhaan making his art. So that is something that we do look forward to
if we could like both of you have such a spirit of the space kind of sense. I don't know how else to put it, but it's like there's so much like we want to engage with the local artists and like, you know, we want to engage with the local culture and eat their food and like, you know, do whatever they are doing right now. Like put a lot of folks, myself included. After some time, I have only so much capacity and then I'm like, okay, now I need to go back in my
bubble and I need to like pretend like the rich person who doesn't need to deal with the inconveniences of local life. But like, I feel like you guys have a lot of like, I don't know, heart for it. It's really nice. It's just that we are really useless people in real life. So we find meaning in those other people's lives. I was thinking, we're going to say something like really self replicating or like just generally, haha, that's not a big deal. Just take a compliment. Take a
compliment. The thing is, like you said, finding your own bubble and all those things, right? When you're traveling for a very long time, you have to create your own bubble in that place. That's something that for example, when you're traveling for months, right? Of course, there are times when you want to be alone and you want to think and you just want to focus on a certain thought, let's say, and you don't want to be disturbed by other people's conversations or ideas.
So then you find your own bubble, you sit on the corner and you block everything and then you just sit and write or draw or whatever. So that also comes. So it's not that difficult. One can do that. Interesting. I mean, that's all I did in Vietnam for 15 days. I was in my own bubble. I was like, one of my friends asked me, oh, so did you make any friends? I was like, I didn't even talk to many people there. Maybe I talked to three or four people and she was just like staring at me.
What? And I was like, yeah, I was so happy not knowing anybody, nobody knows my language. I don't need to talk. But yeah, it is like, I'm not a very outward person like Shikant is. I don't usually like talk to anyone on the street just going like that or like even hesitate in asking questions. But because Shikant is that person, it's nice to also like once he start up the conversation, it's nice to jump in that conversation like he sort of sets it up because I remember that.
She was piggybacking on me. Yeah. In those times. Yeah. I thought that is what relationships I fall in. Just reload on your partner for certain things. Like I remember like when we traveled recently to Bali. So there was this homestay that we were living in and the post he was just showing us the room and everything and then she started talking to him, okay, what's your name and what do you do and all those things. And then like even I started talking to that guy and we
sat there for like an hour where we just kept bombarding him with questions and he just kept answering all of it and he knew English, but like, you know, it was quite a bit here and there. But he like explained everything that he could to us and it turned out that he is a dancer. He knows Bali's traditional dancing style and he knows it throughout the week. He does like a government job and through weekends, he does this performance. So and by chance it was a weekend. So he
like told us I have the tickets so you can buy the tickets and also come for the show. So we were like, yeah, cool. We don't have any plans for the evening. So we'll come and see your performance. So because like it happened so that like with a lot of like these conversations, even I'm the person that I don't talk but with Shikhaan, I just jump in. Shikhaan charming your way through life.
The music is by Akshay Ramu Halli of BTRPT music and editing is by beatnik.