Being Co-Travel Influencers with Divya & the Searats

Hi, I'm Divya. Hi, I'm Kahran. And this is... Thinking. I'm thinking.

Hello, welcome to the fifth season of Thinking on Thinking. Today we talk to Rashmi and Amanda, who run the page TravelwithZeeberts on Instagram. They are really amazingly creative and we talk about everything from being an influencer, how they started, to how cringe is super important to get over. If you really want to do something interesting with your life and especially if you want

to do things that make you happy. We hope you enjoy. So I met Anand and Rashmi in Mulki when I was trying to learn surfing. Did I learn it? No.

But that's when we met. The first time we met, I was like, oh my God, these are people after my own heart. So cool, so awesome and so real. So first maybe tell me about and tell our listeners about how you guys got into traveling. These guys were travel bloggers and both me and my friend were like, wow, so cool.

They're running an Instagram page, traveling together as a couple, learning all of these cool things, running business. What is this? So maybe you guys can start with introducing a little bit about how you got into this. Wait, I'll go.

I have a lot of starting points for this conversation. So I'm just thinking where to start from. So she's like, should I start from age five or six? Okay, so when did you guys meet actually? We met when we were 15 years old and junior college.

When did you guys get together? At two years 17. Word, we met in 11th. We got together in 12th. Yeah, so how is that two years?

But that's 16th birthday and 17th birthday. Post 17th birthday we got like, we met when we were 15 years old. We started dating when we were 17, post our boats. Now maybe a little bit before that and we did not do very well in our exams or our praliums or anything.

So you guys have literally known each other for over half year lives. You guys have been together for half year lives. Yeah. Yeah. What is that like?

I don't know, it's quite amazing. I mean imagine you make a best friend when you're young and then you get to like have sleepovers and enjoy life. With them? Yeah, with them.

It sounds very childlike but I mean if it works, it works, you know, it's one of those things. Like if it works, it's like the most exceptional thing ever. Yeah, yeah. So it's like I do feel like I'm very lucky as a human and I feel I've always been lucky.

My parents also think I'm the lucky one so if they want to do anything nice or big or whatever they'll call me, I'll touch it. You know, even I think she's very lucky. I mean good things have happened to me and really like rare good things like which don't happen, you know, you just hear them in stories and then I have that story and sometimes it's

like strange for me too. I was like I don't know why this happened to me but it's just there and at 15 you're not manifesting and all of that. Obviously you're dreaming as a kid. I was always a daydreamer.

You're not manifesting that this will happen to me but somewhere I think something worked. I mean whatever. So yeah when I was 15 years old, like I was obsessed with Harry Potter a lot and because of Harry Potter I think I started getting interested in like how to be a part of a world where I can write, I can act, I can travel the whole world.

So these were my three agendas I want to act, I want to travel the world and write and stuff. And I came to the conclusion that being an actor is a perfect thing that encapsulates all of these things for me. But obviously growing up wasn't easy to act because it's not really like a route you take as a one, two, three, four, five and my parents weren't completely on board with

that idea. But I tried auditioning and stuff. I got a few things, I modeled and stuff but ultimately it was all about you need to study. It doesn't matter what you're doing, you need to study. So I gave up on that thing and eventually we grew up, we started earning money.

We were like, hey, let's, you know, there is a thing called Instagram and people do everything they want to, like you can't make, turn your hobby into a career there. So I was always interested in that. I had it at the back of my mind when I was doing other jobs that people are doing something here and I feel like my skill sets, my creativity, my writing skills, my whatever, like fits

into this. It wasn't hard for me to think I could do that. So I mean, post our engagement, we went to Thailand for a trip and we purchased a new GoPro. We were obsessed with it.

We shot the whole trip. We enjoyed it so much, like so much. We're like, this is amazing. And then when we came back, we're like, how about we start a new page called something travel and put all of this there, you know, because I don't want to spam my personal profile

because my friends will unfollow me. So I'm just starting a new page and we posted all of our Thailand travels there and that just clicks something we really enjoyed it a lot. You know, it was a lot of fun. Like the aspect of growing the page and stuff came later, but the initial thought was the

experience was a lot of like love, joy and you know, things that we are able to do together because we've lived in a long distance relationship on and off a long time. So doing something together and enjoying travel, eating food and swimming and stuff was just very healing. And I think the page started because of that.

Yeah, and it's funny, like, you know, how the universe rewards you. You're like, I want to travel. I want to perform. I want to act. But actor was not the way to do that.

Actors hardly ever get to travel. They go to a city, but they haven't really seen the city. They've only seen the studio set or you know, that's about it. So it's interesting how like, I know, like I reached my goal without the part that I thought was the right.

Yeah, but I ended up in the same place and I feel it's even better because if I want to do something more now, I have the means and I know I have the I have a way to do that. Like I can fulfill all of my other childhood dreams also at this point. But yeah, and also there is that thing, right?

Like you can either focus on the water, you can focus on the how like you can't constrain both and you would like, okay, I'll just these are the what's that I want to do and like just the how sort of happened organically for you guys. Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, I always just know that I want this, but I don't know how, but it works out.

Like somehow instinctively, my brain is taking me to those places and I'm making certain decisions which is taking me in a direction. And I'm too like human and not good at mathematics at all to ever even figure out how that happens. I'm just like in for the ride. You'll find, Roshmi, there are really never things about the house so much.

It is mostly about I want this and then it'll just happen. Yeah, I am not a strategist. I'm not strategizing my life to reach a certain point. So when people tell me how and I was like, I have no clue man. You tell me how things work, how the world works.

I have no clue how things happen. I think that was also one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you guys because like I think a lot of the interviews that we have done are very like cerebral people in some sense. Like they've had more like, you know, between the intuition and strategic thinking path,

more people have leaned towards the strategic thinking, even though honestly for everybody who's successful at some point, they have to be like, okay, trust the thing and like just go along with the flow. But like, I think you are amongst the people that I know you're on the more extreme. Yeah, okay.

I'll just trust that it will happen and like just proceed further. So I was like, it would be really good to have a conversation. Yeah, that's nice because the thing is whenever I've tried to use my brains and make a strategy to reach a place, it has it really made me happy. I've reached the same place.

But I was like, this is not fun. Like I don't like to be so calculative in life. Like I don't enjoy living that way. I just like honestly just like trust will take you there and you will just learn the right things and meet the right people.

It is I have come back to believing in this, you know, in my twenties, I was told a lot that this is not the right way to live. You know, it's pretty stupid to think like this. So I tried thinking like logically live is very hard to be logical for me too because and then helped me trying to like, he was like, okay, if you want to grow a page, like

there is a way to do it. Wishing and like, the page will grow is not going to grow. There has to be a way to do it. And I think certain things did help me. Like there needs to be a structure.

I don't think the page would be here if we didn't have the brains of Anand to strategize it in the right way. I am like deciding the direction and the fields and all of that. But he is like making the decisions which are very like real, you know, when to post a video and what do we do like those kind of things which like I don't it doesn't even

occur to me that these are the things that have to be. Smaller things, how long should the video be? How long should the video be? How should we start it? Why should we start it this way?

Like so those kind of things. So if I recall correctly Anand, you were in a very cerebral job before, right? I wouldn't call it cerebral. So basically you have like a list and you just follow the list. I mean it was hard.

I will put it that way. Explain your job. Okay, so I used to work for an oil company in Saudi Arabia. I was a logging while telling engineer. Basically we used to log the well where you basically find out what formation you are telling.

So you can know basically how much oil, gas, water, whatever. And it was an all right job. I was an engineer. I did four years of mechanical engineering and I did this job for seven, eight years. That's quite a significant period of time honestly.

So the reason I went into this job was because money, no other motivation for it. And I think at that time I was a little short-sighted. Like you know if I have money I can travel because even I wanted to travel like it wasn't about us traveling was just about like I wanted to see the world. I don't know if you guys have seen People are Awesome videos.

It's basically a YouTube channel. I have. Two channels, Fail Army and People are Awesome. Fail Army is all the fails. People are awesome.

All the wins that people do like amazing stuff. So I used to watch that as like man, I either want to edit one of these videos or I want to be featured in one of these videos. So that was like the thing that I wanted to do. So I used to work on the oil rigs and then the job it's not very hard.

At least mine wasn't that very hard. It was a little, you had to monitor a lot. I automated a lot of stuff. So I wasn't really doing much and a lot of free time. So I learned editing like and I was like let's learn things.

So I learned editing. I saw kind of places I could visit where I could go. What were the people doing? Because at that time internet hadn't blown up the way it has now. Social media at least was still in its nascent phase.

Yeah, I really wanted to do something adventurous. That was the thing that fell to where it was like my true calling. And like three, four years down the line I was like man, this job is really like initially so a lot of people can make a lot of money doing a lot of jobs. But this job also gave me 30 days off.

So I used to work for 30 days and I used to give me 30 days off. So that off was what I really liked. You know the fact that you could in those 30 days travel anywhere you want. And 30 is quite a significant chunk also. Exactly, exactly.

But like 30 days working is also quite a significant chunk. Yeah. So especially if it's a long distance relationship, that was the biggest pain point that I had like you know that we were constantly living long distance. But whenever I used to come back we used to travel.

That was like our relationship like at that time. Like you know we were just, I would work and then when we would come back we would plan trips. So we went to Vietnam, we went to Thailand like you know and there are some limitations you can't really go to Shenzhen countries because it requires time to apply for the visa.

I hardly had that time to apply. So you know it was mostly visa free countries or like easy visa countries, e-visa countries. So the part about short-sightedness, while that job was fun the second I started exploring the creative side of you know like of me I would say like you know editing videos, editing photos, I was like man this is so much more fulfilling.

This is no amount of money can replace this, the joy that you get after creating something. I was like I can't do this for too long. I can't do the oil field job for too long. And so then we started like working on an exit strategy you know like okay, this whole life can't go on for long.

So let's build this page and see where it goes. And once we start earning enough from it like you know one of us can quit, one of us will be free full time and then both of us will quit. So like that was the plan. And now you guys have finally done that.

Yeah, we are finally there. Six years later. Yeah. I think we met you in 2021. Yes, we met in 2021.

In 2020 only just before Covid I had quit my job. And I was finding like Wi-Fi everywhere in Moolki trying to work remember. So miserable. Yeah. So miserable.

Yeah. Even though you guys are already like pretty big by the time we met it's also been really interesting like just seeing you guys go through that growth. Like I personally like really find a lot of affinity with creative type people that like oh okay how is their journey gonna go?

Right like you know people make friends for different reasons. I think my major reason is I wanna see where life takes you. Like you seem to be on an interesting journey. I just wanna see where you go. And it's just been like really interesting how you guys explore and like from an outsider

somebody who doesn't work in a creative industry people often think yeah you just had a gift and then it just happened. Right? But like what you guys are also saying okay we had all of these ideas but then also there was like all of the time that you were spending learning editing or like all of the time that

you spent like okay explore acting explore this explore that like all of that is effort and you have to like you know constantly put in effort. So it's just been like a delight also to see you guys sort of grow like yesterday I was seeing your pictures like damn these guys have tripled from where we were when we were in Mulki.

It's like very nice. I also feel like you both bring different kinds of creativity to the table. How do you collaborate with each other? Because like to me it feels like very few people work with their family members. They always find it such a treacherous thing.

Like I collaborate with my siblings but like it's generally most people are like I could never work with my siblings and I've had so many people be like I can never work with my partner. Like are we just going to be talking shop all the time? Are we going to be working together living together all of that?

Like how do you guys sort of like you know I know you guys are deeply in love which is amazing right? Like even after this many years but like how do you guys sort of manage when both of you put on your creative hats like how do you not I don't know how do you collaborate? We are constantly talking shop.

No but to be honest I will just say for myself you can say for yourself. I love the whole like the entire idea of making a video that people will watch you will hold their attention and at the end hopefully they'll get something out of it something useful something meaningful. I love that whole process.

So ideas always how to make it better how to one up yourself like you know and it's not the views views is not like what I'm looking at I'm looking at the quality of content like you know how can you make it better that people are like wow man these guys are like you know this is something that like they've really brought new to the table and I think that's what motivates us and you are right it kind of like you know you're always talking shop

and we had to like draw limits. We're like okay once we're on the bed sorry no more talk and we have to like decide times but still we still talk sometimes like I wake up at 6 and I'm like yeah I have an idea and like I will have to just discuss it and sometimes it's good sometimes it's like okay I'll just write it first and then speak to you about it like you know ideas just come out

of nowhere and the thing is if he does that or I do that we are immediately interested yeah like it's it's it's something we both enjoy so much that it's not like you know we never go like what are you talking about but you know yeah like my end of the day we are both tired so we're watching Netflix cooking food where we are not talking about it because you're genuinely mentally can't think anymore you want some downtime and during the day we are

constantly talking about work but it still never feels like it because you're making food and talking about something like it's not really like the same kind of a working environment yeah and if you enjoy doing something together it's just very it just becomes a part of your life like it's just another aspect to your life now you know after having so many like being a friend being like partners being whatever like work partner just as another addition it is not like it's not taking anything away it's

actually adding so much more because we always have something to talk about there's there's too much to talk about like we have to sometimes just like let's just not talk for 10 minutes our brand of creativity is so different uh that there is the conversations don't die like it's not like we're both bringing the same thing to the table they were bringing very different things to the table uh Rashmi aesthetic queen like you know if i want something aesthetic i'll just ask her

how do we make this more aesthetic more pleasing to the eye she'll come up with the best solutions so all that text uh you know how to align it how to uh i'm not very good at that i'm good at rhythm a little but not so good at how will this text look she worked as a graphic designer for so many years so like you know i was like totally gonna exploit this skill as much as i can and uh i mean that's why you know there are some ideas which we work together and there are some ideas which are

like just her and there are some ideas which are just me like you know like so i do more of sometimes we do comedy sketches mostly like i come up with them and i was like i force her like you know you have to act like you know dancing but like kudos to her she loves it like you know so uh quite a performer so i'm not so good at performing i'm pretty good at writing but like the performance but she makes up for that so like that's why i give her most of the complicated scenes where

i'm making a fool out of myself i really enjoy it actually i have to play someone who is like doesn't know much like falls all that i don't know physical comedy like i enjoy so much and i really give it my all like i've done stunts for no reason like i don't need to do it but i will give it exile, save my knees and stuff but i'm so happy like i just want to just keep doing this it's just you are so right like now that i think back on your content you are actually like

huh so i used to be in the drama club in the college and then like i've tried improv a couple of times and almost always like i'm just like i don't want to do this right like there is this like slight internal cringe and like when you said i don't mind making a fool of myself i'm like yeah that's what i don't like and that's why acting it feels a little bit like okay let's just keep it slightly away from me i read something recently where this woman is talking about do you want to

be cool or do you want to be happy because if you want to be happy you should not kill the part of you that is cringe oh my god what is this why are you throwing wisdom here like that because i do find acting embarrassing also which is what i tell ananta a lot of times when we are performing he's can't sometimes and i'm like acting is inherently embarrassing it is you just have to be okay with it like you have to make a choice that i'm okay with this or i'm just too cool to do

this you know like there's two ways out of it and i took me years to be okay with it but when i'm doing it i enjoyed so much that at that moment i'm not thinking about it i want to like make someone laugh right so if you're trying to make someone laugh you are being a joker you're not really thinking about it at that time later and stuff i can't look at myself though later like that's why when it's being edited i can't hear myself i can't look at myself even after this many years

i cringe looking at myself and i'm looking at the final product but the doing it of it is something i enjoy a lot and i trust him like you know he'll never really make me look bad so i trust him like i don't really check if someone else would be editing or had those footages i would freak out to be honest but yeah like i want to be more okay with doing cringy things because i mean happiness is there right oh no happiness is cringe right because

whoever's very happy and stuff people find them cringy right like we judge people that way you know cringe is something that's so important for us to not be like it can go in all ways but if you look at even the comedy stars that you absolutely love uh if you were in their position you would cringe like that is i think the point that she's trying to make like you could have let yourself go to that extent no that kind of makes a lot of sense because like even as i think about

myself things that make me most happy i'm the most okay about being cringy about them even when somebody is like why are you doing that i'm just like okay i don't really care what do you think about it i'm just gonna do it because like whatever yeah yeah because i mean ganpati vissar janoke it's a huge thing in mumbai right maharashtra you dance like a crazy person and like anand i think i'm sure like finds it extremely embarrassing and cringy because i don't see him

around me also he's somewhere like looking at the wall like he's so far away from it but i will do a nagan dance if it makes me happy if my body makes me do a nagan dance i will do a nagan dance because i'm like why i don't care you have a problem like i just don't care like for me certain things like dancing acting give me so much happiness that i'm not ready to like get it on it you know like because of someone else's discomfort because i'm not trying to make anyone feel bad you just

got a new title content creator does nagan dance that can be the clickbait title that's so interesting plus like i guess that this wisdom means a lot more coming from you because you have been putting yourself in front of the camera in front of like hundreds of thousands of people for a long time now need because imagine if when i still tell people that this is what i do people judge you right there is a judgment like no one will tell you

directly but they're like there is a certain kind of a superiority complex that people have against creators and people who do these things if i were that person i could have never done this i would have never started a page and put myself out there and fail constantly you know like you're constantly failing sometimes our views are low sometimes you've done something that is stupid sometimes you've clearly made a mistake you have to apologize all of this in front

of people if you're not comfortable with being cringe you are incapable of doing those things you know like it's just not possible to do it because you would rather be comfortable in your own house never trying things out because why should i do it if you know it's it's hard yeah it is like one of those i would say a lot of times people like criticize instagram influencers or like tiktok influencers or whatever but i think like the one of the most challenging things is

like would you be okay being under the scrutiny of millions of people like regularly like would that be a life that you can sustain and like still maintain your sanity like you know you are made say something negative to you you will run away and you'll be like oh my god she said this four days your mood is bad like that happens a lot of times it's also you know people take it out of context so many times so that you have to even deal with people constantly trying to misunderstand you on

purpose there's no empathy there's no effort to see your point of view or like from where you're coming from they don't know your content style they don't know what you stand for but yeah they're there to make judgment no it's become a blanket statement at this point like like people say all it people are the same right like this blanket it's all engineering but it isn't like every person is very different they think differently they have different morals they are not all doing the same

thing just because four popular ones did something but it's the same thing with creation and on instagram youtube tiktok whatever you can't have a blanket say all all creators are cringe and all creators have no moral value right this is absolutely wrong because i see a lot of people who are doing whatever they can't earn money but there are people who are not doing that also like quietly trying to like follow a certain path so maybe it's too soon like it's just such a new thing

that no one knows what to expect of it but i think it's easier to put the creators in that zone because it makes them feel better somewhere it's it's always easier to be a critic than to be a creator putting someone down you're feeling great about yourself that's like a way to just escape the reality but it is their reality or whoever is only criticizing right but there are people who are very understanding also who without us ever talking about it they somehow know the effort

that's going behind then you know the emotions and stuff so there are all kinds of people but i mean obviously the trolls are the loudest yeah that was also another thing that like i wanted to ask you guys for a lot of people that i've seen online influencers and all like one of my friends he's like quite popular on twitter and his partner is also somebody who's quite popular on twitter and they have both like not shown on twitter that they are dating each other because then haters of

one will also affect haters of the other and they're both like loud people so like how do you guys deal with it like you know not just you individually being online but also like your relationship being online and in front of people i don't know like at least personally i feel scared of that also i think just because we know each other for so long like anyone's opinion is not really entering our conversation like this piece really started working where people were noticing when we were 30

we know each other since we are 15 right 15 years of really knowing each other and knowing each other to a level where there is trust there is an understanding of how far this person can go is this person really this or that lid you have an understanding after that if someone's coming and telling me something i'm like who are you and what do you know like there is it is not possible for anyone to have any insight on us at this point it's not possible so it's just noise it's just

noise like it really does not affect us at all like i don't know how but i think one of the reasons is just knowing if we had done this maybe in our early 20s or if we were we had just started to date and then we would put ourselves out there maybe there would have been a lot of issues but for 15 years that we were together we dealt with almost everything right like that there is like long distance financial issues all those things are much more like harder than people

talking online about you you know like if you deal with the trust in a long distance relationship and now like what can anyone tell you really right like what do you you're both together all the time i'm like where are you even going please go out like nothing can really affect a lot of like proof is in the taste of the pudding like been together for so long there is nothing anybody can say that can like you know make me think otherwise i was like you i mean i would like to

feel that i probably know her definitely better than you know a random troll on on definitely you work with your siblings and i'm sure like you have an under someone comes and tells you you'll be like okay cool and you just because you've grown up like you know because 15 is so young that like you forget in our 30s at how young 15 is but basically a child yeah we literally grow up together like he taught me how to drive a car like we are coming from like i can't that is what

i'm saying like we learned things together like he learned to drive a car so that he can teach me you know like i did something so i think that this is not just any like normal you know romantic relationship it just goes beyond that a little bit so i mean yeah and also i one another thing is we don't talk much about we don't give advices we don't talk much about you know our relationship person we talk about like it's been there for long yeah that's one

thing we talk about we're never revealing it you haven't seen our bedroom you have it like you know we are not really like taking the camera into our lives oh that's so interesting that you guys have managed to like keep a sense of privacy despite the fact that your public figures yeah there is absolute privacy there is nothing that we i mean you'll never see any of us like walking in with a camera and like you know oh my god look what he's doing like

this never happens like we're not taking each other by surprise for content nothing is going up or being shot if when we are just in our homes unless we've decided that okay you're cooking something i want to shoot what you're cooking so i'll get the camera and then we'll just show the food and that's it the food is shown nothing after that us eating what what are we you know who's cleaning the dishes interesting i feel like there is so much like hardly anything known about us

so much wisdom guys like i've always put you guys in the fun maybe it was because we met on the trip but so much wisdom i'm learning so much we are fun also yeah i know you guys are super fun so like recently i've been feeling a little bit of change in tone in your videos and i can't pinpoint it but is there something yeah i think i have felt a change in me personally we went on a trip recently and i think it changed something like we traveled business class we had a lot of fun

and it just showed me like gave me a perspective in a very different kind of life because you see people who are very successful doing something a certain way and now when you're sitting next to them and observing them i felt like something grew in me like confidence and some kind of a self-belief that you know maybe i can achieve what i want to and that thing just has changed a certain perspective i i'm constantly changing anyway it's like quite taboo but this recent change i think has been the

best because i feel now i'm back to being a teenager but with the learning resources 30 year old right so i'm just waking up and feeling happy and that hasn't happened for a long time and i'm also feeling very open like i used to always over share and then i you know in my 20s and early 30s i just stopped myself because you learn lessons you know people sometimes take advantage of you but now i feel like i know what to even over share about you know there are certain things i will

never speak about but certain things i want to speak about i want to be open i want to be approachable and just like make stuff that matters and not just run behind stupid things like virality and stuff like i we stopped making it for a long time but we're not making anything just for the views if it's not something that you enjoy even if it's long even if we know it won't work but we will describe it the way we want to and i think that's probably what you've witnessed but

i'm not sure because yeah i think i need to ask you like what did you like give me some insight on what change you noticed i feel like subject to change from the places that you went to or the experience this is that you had to like the emotions you guys experience i don't know a better way of articulating it because like i was also just like hmm at least for me it started happening when you guys went to hong kong sometime back there was last year i think and like i think

since then like the content has slowly been shifting and like oh now even if they're making content in like you know we are working out and you guys are not fitness influencers right but like i'm like huh i still feel that sense of fun and i think like the i don't know like maybe it's working maybe it's not i don't know turning it to influencers no i think it's the same thing which i'm also talking about from my side she's talking about the underlying emotion behind her because

the thing is annan doesn't do stories at all instagram stories like he is very uncomfortable sharing anything about his life at all like it's me who should have taken that mantle long time ago but i was also uncomfortable because i think i thought that you know i'm just too cringe to put out there and like who would care you know who would really care like that was my whole thing so we wouldn't really share anything like a personal journey wouldn't be shared online you would only

end result but now i feel like i'm able to like i said like be more confident in sharing my personal journeys like and it's the ones i choose i'm like workout like it's fun like why am i thinking so much before putting this i would like put stuff up and delete it five minutes later because i'm like no no no no this is like some i would sometimes wake up in the night and delete things because i would haunt yeah like horror of over sharing to 300 000 people you know it's like it's horrifying you know yeah yeah

i'm just realizing there are certain things i don't mind over sharing like if i'm going through a personal workout journey i don't have issues with my physical self that much so i can take trolls if they come to me also like it won't change how i look at myself so there are certain things i'm confident about where i want to share my personal journey and the journey is what was missing because no one knew like suddenly i would come back and be like oh look this a new one and you

like what happened in between so for the first time i think the in-betweens are also revealed yeah yeah and like the thing is i'm so focused on the end result that i don't like find the need to talk about anything in between because like i just want to talk about that final product of like you know like that we finally create like you know that is like the most important thing for me he's not really a talker he's a listener that's one of the biggest reasons this is working also

but like he's he's not a person who really like craves conversation in the sense that he's not like oh do you know what happened in my day he's not that kind of a person who feels the need to share so it doesn't like convert into an online thing where there is a need to share and i did not have the need to share like i still don't because i have someone who's constantly listening to me so the need to share is where you create a whole personality online right

you are so desperate to share your life that you create something i will make liner notes of this and supply it to people you can also pay line okay here are the notes from our conversation all the wisdom yeah i mean so i felt if i was a single girl i would have had a two million cup profile because it's an oversharing or out of a dating story like that is where people enjoy and there's a little bit of a little bit of a couple who's been dating for so long and you

know like it's very hard and you're saying i should make an instagram account and like it was single girl work if you want to do it that's what i'm saying i mean people are lonely right there's someone to share and talk so they keep talking about their deepest darkest secrets which i think ultimately is not good for them in the long run yeah they might earn a lot of money now but when you're 20 or over sharing at 35 it is definitely cringe like that something i would

stand by so being careful about what you share obviously but the need for sharing has come back but in a very different way not like emotional sharing but like oh guys look you know like i'm cooking my own food or i'm trying to do this i'm trying to build a better version of myself like very superficial sharing because again like you can't go too deep you don't want to scare people because i would even not call it superficial it's more like operational stuff you are sharing rather

than sharing the emotional or the psychological stuff yeah because that is still something which is like very vulnerable like you don't want to open up two people who are ready to throw arrows maybe there'll be a time when i wouldn't be bothered by that too maybe i don't mind i actually want to reach there i want to personally just be able to share all of my struggles and my thoughts because i don't know i i've always been an oversharer like i write things down or i am constantly

thinking about things and i'm giving advice to people in my head if i get to do that and realize but i i always feel that i've seen this with anybody who's with an artistic bent you know uh you know art is a way of showing what they feel and what they want to talk about and even words are like that in words form art that way for me it's been every era has had a different like art form you are Taylor Swift the Indian version and i'm yeah yeah like

i i believe in like an elimination method because i want to be so many things and do so many things i'm like fine you want to be a photographer like what do you even know about that you know just get into it so i interned with a photographer and i realized that i really don't want to be a photographer in that sense you know like handling like photo shoots and models was fun but i was like i don't want to do just this it's not fun i could eliminate it so i've tried everything and i keep

trying everything and eliminate what i don't like and the things i like i keep like doing it little by little and growing in it because i want to be able to have so many good skills at the end of my life that i'm never worrying about like how will my next paycheck come to me yeah you know stuff like that like just constantly learn and keep learning and growing in the things you want to because i think now we've reached a place where together we have so many skills that i'm not afraid when people

are like aren't you afraid i was like if this doesn't work i can still get a job yeah i'm capable of doing it and i've already done it for 10 years i mean like your worst case scenario is to go do a job like imagine being in that situation that's insane like i can't really complain right because worst case scenario is getting a job which i'm sure i'll get he'll get so that isn't really a worry so you want to give your all do your best yeah and keep adding more skills

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